Discusión entre pares /60 yrs healthy male sustained RTA Confused what to do Kindly shower ur opinion

Indian-Orthopaedic Research-Group

Baskar Chockalingam

60 yrs healthy male
sustained
RTA
Confused what to do
Kindly shower ur opinion

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  Srinivas Daravathu Orif philos plate

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  Srinivas Daravathu Dp approach

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  Amitava Narayan Mukherjee Keep sha ready as backup

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  Hardayal Singh Ghuman Or if. DP approach

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  Jignesh Thacker PHILOS plate

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  Narayana Prasad ORIF with PHILOS, if delay occurs keep stand by hemireplacement.

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  Mahesh Dudhagara Philos plate

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  Arun Govindasamy Open reduction internal fixation with Philos plate.

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  Mohamed Ibrahem Abd Elhamed Urgent orif .philos plate

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  د-عبد المنعم جمعه Fr. Dislocation shoulder for emergency orif

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  Jagan Mohan Open reduction and fixation. Biceps tendon may impede the reduction . Sometimes it becomes necessary to cut the long head and do a tenodesis distally

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  Sarathkanth Gudipati make note of neurovascular status, do immediate ORIF through extended deltopectoral approach, cuff repair maybe required and yes biceps tendon is a problem.

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  Shakerul Kareem 3D ct must prior to surgery then and then only plan the treatment modality

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  Mamdouh Magdi El Bannan First ct and nerve conduction for medicolegal then ORIF

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  Sarathkanth Gudipati why CT

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  Sarathkanth Gudipati from the X ray it looks like a 3 part # ,max it can be a 4 part ,whatever it is u have to go and do same procedure.

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  Shakerul Kareem Not ct 3D ct

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  Shakerul Kareem When you open you dont see what is on xray

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  Sarathkanth Gudipati 3D CT not available in many places kareem thats why its better to expect a 4 part fracture and get ur philos plate, cortical screws and no.2 ethibond ready. wat do u say

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  Shakerul Kareem Ur thinking is right for the said senerio

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  Sarathkanth Gudipati kareem where r u from

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  Manoharan Muthulingam What ever the proximal humerus plate please hold the rotators with ethibond sutures and tie over the plate.
  U should achieve medial cortical contact, valgus reduction.

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  Sarathkanth Gudipati truly said manoharan

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  Shakerul Kareem I am from parbhabi maharashtra

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  Shakerul Kareem Parbhani I mean

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  Sarathkanth Gudipati great ,i am from andhra,vizag

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  Shakerul Kareem Iam having one of my UG classmate in army in vizag he is dr.george koshi

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  Sarathkanth Gudipati oh will say hi if i meet him

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  Sanjay Joseph ORIF with philos plate and open Bankart repair. D-P approach.

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  Sarathkanth Gudipati i havent seen any recurrent dislocation of shoulder as a post op complication after such fractures which are fixed. dont think we need a bankart repair. instead cuff repair might be necessary.

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  DrAbdullrab Almarwanya Thank you for presenting this case : This AP X-Ray films of a 60 y old ,male , patient (mostly of the right shoulder (dominance?)), shows fracture dislocation of the proximal humerus (3 part?? ), ,the glenoid appeared to be notched in its inferior aspect and there is diffuse thinning of the bones cortex (osteoporosis?) .This single view provide inadequate information about the fracture plane (can not accurately delineate the degree of displacement and rotation of the fracture fragments( the tuberosities and humeral head)),direction of dislocation ,state of rotator cuff and the congruity of the glenoid . 
  For planning the management of such difficult case in a RTA victim after following the ATLS guide lines (ABCDE)and from the available information I would suggest :to ask about the time since the accident .Next: to Examine for any associated injury in cervical spine, elbow ,Neurovascular bundle , position and movement of the shoulder . 
  Then to do a complete trauma series imaging (true AP,scapular Y, axillary).to determine the direction of dislocation (can alter the approach ) CT scan ,MRI, as indicated . 
  
  When we reach to a good evaluation of this complex injury through the above mentioned steps the decision making regarding the ideal treatment plan can be outlined . 
  
  But generally speaking in 3 part fracture dislocation Open reduction and internal fixation can be an option but Prosthetic replacement is indicated when secure fixation cannot be obtained, usually in elderly patients with osteoporotic bone (like in this patient).prosthetic replacement include : hemiarthroplasty (if there is rotator cuff compromise and the glenoid surface is intact and healthy) total shoulder arthroplasty when the rotator cuff is intact and the glenoid surface is compromised (arthritis, trauma) reverse shoulder arthroplasty in elderly individuals with nonreconstructible tuberosities.
  THANKS.

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  Dhurgham Alameedi Hemiarthroplasty better outcome

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  Abdulmajeed Hail I did three cases looks like same. Better to start open fixation with plat and screws as it is then do a shoulder reduction

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  Bhuwan Singh I think open red.&philos plate with capsular rep.

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  DrSushil Singh Or if with plating

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  Raviraj Raj Open reduction
  Locking plate
  Cuff repair

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  DrDhiren Faldu hemireplacement with rotator repaire

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  Tushar Mankad Dr Baskar 
  You have posted a difficult case.
  Your's truly has had the opportunity to operate upon such injuries- by now quite a few times. 
  The comment made by Dr Abdullrub above merits attention. 
  Now the other important points:
  Document neurovascular status preop especially Deltoid/Axillary Nerve. Explain that even if intact at present, postop deficit is possible. 
  Make not a single attempt to reduce it closed-just not done-even under GA.
  For reducing the head use finger manipulation or blunt instruments like a spatula covered with mop.
  Be prepared to fix /reconstruct glenoid/Capsule:keep suture anchors ready-do it before head fixation if possible. 
  Fix the head fragment in nearly anatomical position as possible. 
  Use suture fixation (Ethibond No 5) for tuberosities in addition to implant on humeral side. Before final fixation make sure all major fragments are accounted for and secured with strong traction sutures. 
  Take consent for and keep it ready: hemiarthroplasty, again fixing tuberosities properly, if you do a hemi. Use bicipital groove for deciding version. 
  If this is a surgeon's first such case, it is best to have a senior or someone who has done a case or two before. 
  If you fix it, don't bother about type of implant as long as you get good stable fixation. 
  Do not hurry for mobilisation in postop period. Expect functional ranges at best. Long term physio will be needed. 
  Best wishes.

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  Baskar Chockalingam Thanks Dr tushar

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  Baskar Chockalingam Feel soo good when getting immense very useful suggestions like from drabdulla n dr tushore

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  Sanjay Joseph I have done two cases of fracture dislocation just like this with ORIF. Always repair Bankart lesion, because without it, both were dislocating easily on table even before opening anterior shoulder restraints.

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  Shrenik Dharaskar did similar case... just posting pre and postop images...

  

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  Shyamlal Mukhi Open reduction philos plate with ethibond 5numbers sutures for rotator cuff

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